tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post1876802960876015820..comments2024-03-06T11:11:48.095-08:00Comments on Too Much Horror Fiction: Shadowings: Reader's Guide to Horror Fiction, ed. by Douglas E. Winter (1983): Not Dark Yet... But It's Getting There Will Erricksonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16285306262078600804noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-6328321299458467042015-10-19T08:01:11.771-07:002015-10-19T08:01:11.771-07:00hey, the idea of a book about the horror boom of t...hey, the idea of a book about the horror boom of the 70's and 80's is great, and why not a selection of TMHF in book format?<br /><br />Greetings from Spain<br /><br />franciscohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16141925304481130360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-364922612438905042015-10-07T08:57:37.669-07:002015-10-07T08:57:37.669-07:00Jack--Checked the copyrights & a good handful ...Jack--Checked the copyrights & a good handful of articles in SHADOWINGS were originally pub'd in Fantasy Newsletter. A couple are originals and a few others are from other mags/zines/newspapers.Will Erricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16285306262078600804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-70728541196514636522015-10-01T19:51:14.005-07:002015-10-01T19:51:14.005-07:00I just found out that Douglas E. Winter had an ong...I just found out that Douglas E. Winter had an ongoing essay series on the state of horror in the early 80s issues of Fantasy Newsletter (later named Fantasy Review) called "Shadowings." I know this because I just ordered a huge lot from Ebay, and after looking them up on isfdb.com I see that most of them have the "Shadowings" articles.<br /><br />I'm wondering, Will, if Jack Tripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05033020329763413508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-53287766835502184352015-09-25T17:51:11.274-07:002015-09-25T17:51:11.274-07:00Will, you should definitely check out more Ross Ma...Will, you should definitely check out more Ross Macdonald. I know (from Goodreads) that you've read a couple of his earlier Lew Archer novels, but he really started developing his own dark, unique style in the 60s with books like The Chill and Black Money (which the Coen bros. recently bought the rights to), as opposed to his somewhat aping of Chandler with earlier books. His plotting is Jack Tripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05033020329763413508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-13929789951664558452015-09-25T15:32:27.290-07:002015-09-25T15:32:27.290-07:00Ha--"life's losers in a tailspin of their...Ha--"life's losers in a tailspin of their own desperate making"--love that! I finally found a copy of Marlowe's NAME OF THE GAME IS DEATH, the '83 Vintage/Black Lizard edition, which had been on my must-have list for a few years. The early '80s Ballantine editions of Woolrich/Irish have some of my favorite covers ever, but I've only read one of his, ages ago. Got Will Erricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16285306262078600804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-5453480578499555422015-09-25T12:01:38.826-07:002015-09-25T12:01:38.826-07:00My present taste in crime fiction tends to shadow ...My present taste in crime fiction tends to shadow the same bleak territory of my affinity for horror fiction, so rather than P.I. and detective fiction (save for a few notable exceptions, e.g. Hammett, Fredric Brown, et al) I tend to prefer the older/classic (and often Gold Medal published) and bleak, sometimes existential or nihilistic, terse and spare standalone man-on-the-run dramas of life&#Ron Clintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18433028755791230589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-18843420443182098612015-09-25T08:48:47.327-07:002015-09-25T08:48:47.327-07:00When I first stopped reading horror in the early t...When I first stopped reading horror in the early to mid 1990s it was crime fiction that took over: Ellroy, Thompson, Chandler, Hiaasen, Leonard, Woolrich, Mosley, et. al. I love love love PI/detective novels and collect a lot of those paperbacks too now! You may not know I have a blog/FB page dedicated to that stuff as well, altho not nearly as updated as TMHF:<br /><br />https://www.facebook.comWill Erricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16285306262078600804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-43977638244581116452015-09-24T22:22:55.107-07:002015-09-24T22:22:55.107-07:00Ah, Jim Thompson... He and his paperback-original...Ah, Jim Thompson... He and his paperback-original noir brethren form my other reading passion. Speaking of mags, a great one for pbos is Paperback Parade...I don't have nearly as many issues as I'd like, but the few I do have are great.<br />Ron Clintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18433028755791230589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-58599775496360715092015-09-24T13:17:48.109-07:002015-09-24T13:17:48.109-07:00@Will: Definitely dig those out, they'd make a...@Will: Definitely dig those out, they'd make a great feature here (I know you had a post on the book anthology already, but the essays and interviews from the mag were just as good as the stories, if not better).<br /><br />Hell yeah, The Scream Factory. That was my main horror zine once Midnight Graffiti stopped publication in the early 90s or so. That was another mag that only had like two Jack Tripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05033020329763413508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-53792248085214340632015-09-24T07:31:07.822-07:002015-09-24T07:31:07.822-07:00^^^ Just remembered the name of that non-fiction m...^^^ Just remembered the name of that non-fiction magazine I mention above: THE SCREAM FACTORY.Ron Clintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18433028755791230589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-41309150823099365482015-09-24T07:23:17.460-07:002015-09-24T07:23:17.460-07:00That golden age of horror was also the height of h...That golden age of horror was also the height of horror magazine publishing. Like Jack, I bought and read Whispers, Midnight Graffiti, Whispers, and as well The Horror Show, Night Cry, Grue, Cemetery Dance, Twilight Zone, and a few others that don't as easily come to mind (including one that featured only non-fiction and that I really enjoyed but now can't remember the title of). I wasnRon Clintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18433028755791230589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-14793386522085657622015-09-23T22:16:23.961-07:002015-09-23T22:16:23.961-07:00Aw man I know I've got some MIDNIGHT GRAFFITIs...Aw man I know I've got some MIDNIGHT GRAFFITIs stashed somewhere...Will Erricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16285306262078600804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-41637480861970119312015-09-23T17:35:06.442-07:002015-09-23T17:35:06.442-07:00That's an excellent point, Jack...if anyone wa...That's an excellent point, Jack...if anyone was to take on such a massive (but needed!) project, those old magazines would be terrific resources -- great snapshots in time -- to complement the anecdotal (but sometimes foggy, given that era's some thirty'ish years in the past) memories of those who are still around to relate them.Ron Clintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18433028755791230589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-1732064760754190772015-09-22T22:18:15.005-07:002015-09-22T22:18:15.005-07:00@Ron Clinton: Was just going through all my old Mi...@Ron Clinton: Was just going through all my old Midnight Graffiti, Twilight Zone, and Whispers magazines, and realized they're a great way to dig more deeply into the era, as they're filled with essays and editorials on the horror-ficton scene and "current" trends (splatterpunk, the Big Fat Novel, weird fiction, quiet horror, etc.), as well as author interviews and book reviews.Jack Tripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05033020329763413508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-88669924363255580502015-09-22T21:26:40.274-07:002015-09-22T21:26:40.274-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jack Tripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05033020329763413508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-43127472775204049462015-09-16T19:43:12.288-07:002015-09-16T19:43:12.288-07:00"...but I realize even I know probably just a... "...but I realize even I know probably just a fraction of all that contributed to the growth and demise of that unique era."<br /><br />Maybe a book with multiple contributors would be the answer, since no single person's brain could possibly encompass the veritable glut of 80s horror-fiction.<br /><br />I become a horror fan in 1989 (age 10), during the peak of the boom, though itJack Tripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05033020329763413508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-65558049059615116182015-09-16T14:23:11.306-07:002015-09-16T14:23:11.306-07:00" I wish that someone in the know (like Mr. W..." I wish that someone in the know (like Mr. Winter) would write a book about the horror-fiction boom of the 70s and 80s, and its collapse in the early 90s."<br /><br />I've been hoping to see something like that since the turn of the century; sometimes you don't appreciate what you had until you're past it. Lord knows there're enough such books on sci-fi and the pulps..Ron Clintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18433028755791230589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-15419292273185190142015-09-15T16:04:35.387-07:002015-09-15T16:04:35.387-07:00(I mean 1997, not '95)(I mean 1997, not '95)Jack Tripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05033020329763413508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-85830771295796965142015-09-15T15:59:23.454-07:002015-09-15T15:59:23.454-07:00@Jonathan Stover: Thanks. I actually have those es...@Jonathan Stover: Thanks. I actually have those essays in my copy of KEW's 1995 collection'Exorcisms and Ecstasies,' which I was somehow able to find for $25 a couple years back after searching for years (KEW is probably my favorite horror author). David Drake's essay was pretty brutal towards KEW, imo, and felt weird among all the tributes from friends and family. But it was Jack Tripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05033020329763413508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-44040088627835448132015-09-15T14:00:31.231-07:002015-09-15T14:00:31.231-07:00The second volume of the 2012 Best Stories of Karl...The second volume of the 2012 Best Stories of Karl Edward Wagner: Walk on the Wild Side has some pretty interesting tales from the inside of 1980's and 1990's horror in the essays by Peter Straub and especially David Drake. For instance, Drake was angered by Wagner's novella "Blue Lady, Come BacK" because he saw it as a hatchet job on Manly Wade Wellman, who had mentored Jonathan Stoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07751600613741713162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-825351661748594023.post-61310533788596982522015-09-15T11:23:50.246-07:002015-09-15T11:23:50.246-07:00Nice, I love stuff like this. I wish that someone ...Nice, I love stuff like this. I wish that someone in the know (like Mr. Winter) would write a book about the horror-fiction boom of the 70s and 80s, and its collapse in the early 90s. And not just a general history and criticism of the fiction from those days. I bet there's lots of great insider-type stories of the crazy, alcohol and drug-fueled conventions of the 80s and whatnot.Jack Tripperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05033020329763413508noreply@blogger.com